TO ALL MEMBERS URGENT NOTICE [SECRETARY]

There will be a new Secetary takeing over from 17th October, please give her a little while to settle into the job. Her name address and phone number etc will be posted up at alater date. I feel that this will help us all to move on as an association,not forgetting thanks to Wilson for all his work over many years.

I agree, hopefully a fresh start will quieten the mutterings on other threads and help the association forwards.

Have the contact details been posted yet? I would like to contact the secretary but cannot find the details anywhere, thanks

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/12/2009 01:21PM by lazysheep.

I believe contact details were sent to members in an email?

I have had nothing at all. Was hoping the show results would be put up on this website - it would be nice.

I used to receive info from Wilson via email but have not had anything recently, and no secretary contact details.

Emailing the details to existing members is all well and good but for one thing this hasn't happend and for another what about new members? Is this a closed society now? Should new members shoot thier Dartmoors and go and buy something else because they are not wanted in the funny handshake club?!

Could the contact details for the new secretary please be posted on this forum, on the RBST website and on the Society pages asap. there can be no good reason to keep it secret. It can only be good for the Society and the breed to share these details.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2009 09:53AM by T.W.Lloyd.

We are still left wondering if our only ewe lamb this year will be registered as Wilson didn't answer any questions we sent by email about the registration or our answer machine messages also we don't know how to contact the new secretary.

I think we have been patient - we have waited to speak to a secretary since the beginning of July but now don't even know how to contact the new one!

Stephanie

There is no secret!
It's not worth getting hot under the collar, that just gets people's backs up!
Try info@greyface-dartmoor.org.uk, this, I am told, will reach the new secretary.
I am not in a position to splash someone's contact details on a public forum without their consent, I hope you understand this!

CS thank you for the email address, I have had no luck with this one before but assuming the new secretary has taken over the account I will try it again. I did not want to bother the old secretary by messaging him. I wasn't asking for someone’s private details, I was asking for the contact details for a club secretary. Surely the secretary of a club is prepared to have some form of contact details public? You shouldn't have to splash these details across a public forum (unless really YOU are the new secretary!!! Who was that masked man? ) because they should already be available. Every other secretary on the rare breed society website has some form of public contact details.

I'm sorry to get "hot under the collar" but politely saying nothing has got nothing done and it really is getting silly now. It seems the only way to get any response at all is to provoke one sometimes. You imply that (fair) criticism will only get the committees backs up and that they will purposefully dig their heels in. I hope this is not the case as they are in a position of responsibility and should be a little more professional than that, come on chaps take it on the chin and lets address the problems

My concern is that if all the forum is good for is cynicism and back biting, complaining publicly about the running of the association etc. it makes the association look like a 'mickey mouse' outfit.
The forum was voted for to provide a place for people to exchange information about the breed, contact details should be available se[parately. Unfortunately it now looks as if it is going to be laid to rest, as many of the council members have decided it is doing the association no favours! Now I can see what they mean!
The secretary is still trying to get information together and tie up loose ends before contacting the membership, i'm not sure she even reads the forum!
Make the most of it whilst it's here, 'cause it won't be for much longer!

It's really disappointing to read the last post on this and it highlights exactly what needs to be changed about the group.

Contact details SHOULD be available on the website but they are not. Plus, whatever the state of the paperwork you should at least be able to update the RBST website with a new name, address and telephone number. What information takes more than 2 months to get together? If the new secretary already doesn't have time for the job exactly the same problems will arise - so the committee should take some of the burden off the secretary so that she can do what she needs to for the group with the time available.

Having people contact the old secretary, get told he's not doing it anymore but doesn't have the details of the person taking over and then not being able to take any queries any further - that makes the group look like a mikey mouse operation. The forum does not.

Personally I think that the committee should let the members vote about whether they want a forum or not. Perhaps you can just add a censoring function for posts in future - there are at least two committee members who regularly post and so could be responsible for the monitoring of this.

Having a publicly available forum about GFDs is a good thing for the GFD breed. Whether it's a good thing for people who want a position of power but don't want the responsibility that comes with it is an entirely different question. I have helped run a number of clubs and I know that it's hard work for no reward, and I gave my time for free. I also thought of the members as more important than me and the committee - without membership there would be no association.

If you need help I would be happy to help out. I'm sure there are other people who would also be happy to help out. Just ask.

Kind regards,
Sarah (lazysheep)

I agree!
It's hard for me being a regular forum user and member of council, as I see both sides! I like the forum, as long as the bitching doesn't take over. Trouble is, most of council want it gone.
I was sure an email went out to everyone, but apparently this is not the case, so I can now get on and find out what's going on.
Watch this space!

I received full details of the new Secretary as an attachment to an e-mail from the retiring Secretary, sent at 1504 on 29/10/09.

Being very new to keeping sheep, I have found the forum to be useful and informative, and it promotes discussion - but we should reserve carping to private messages imho.

The e-mail contact details given were info@greyface-dartmoor.org.uk. Apparently e-mails will be forwarded to the new Secretary. I hope this helps.

Hi, I haven't posted much on the forum but feel that I should mention that I have been dealing with the old secretary for various reasons but also recently with the new secretary, although no details were recieved for the new secretary I used the email from the website (info@greyface-dartmoor.org.uk) and I recieved a reply from her.

With regards to the forum, I personally think that internet forums can and should be a valuable tool for members to share information, get to know other members and also for onlookers to get an idea of what the association, breed etc is all about. Most other forums have 'members only' areas that can be used to voice concerns etc, so perhaps this might be a better option that to close it completely.

Hello everyone,
I also was emailed new secrecary contact details -----October
I haven`t tried any correspondence yet ---- thought she needed a little time to settle in.
It is obvious there is alot for her to sort out.
Hope 2010 membership brings new Flockbooks and ewe certificates.I can understand how frustrating it could be if you are trying
sell pedigree stock -- I am hopeing to sell some Dartmoors in new year and also need certificates.
Sad to hear forum may be terminated.
The forum is surely an asset to the society--- help and advise given freely about sheepy matters----dartmoor society gatherings reported
on-----all subjects good ----- and bad ---- viewed.
As Sicknote has said other breeders forums open to members only, maybe good idea.
.The new technology allows everybody insight into what is going on across the country while we sit in our own homes and the fantastic photos
added to the topics bring the whole thing to life =very enjoyable reading , sad if it is axed.
Jackie

I echo what has been said above. I have said to others that this forum needs moderators and also a membership to log in to a secure forum area so that it remains for the use of members of the DSBA only. Many other forums have this facility - so then the general public can see general stuff and members of the breed society see other stuff -it's not rocket science.

I was just pleased to see a forum set up when it was - a great way of keeping in touch. But, I now think the time has come to extend, modify and refine this forum to meet the needs of the users - not bin it because of a few silly remarks people have made.

I agree that some very thoughtless things have been posted on this site in the past but I don't think that it should be completely removed - just restructured and rethought and discussed at the council meetings. If this forum had had moderators in the first place those silly comments would have been zapped and edited.

Unless we want to go back to chalk and slates - we need a website - all other breed societies seem to manage theirs. I moderate a number of forums on the internet and would only be too willing to be part of that on here. Moderators do a necessary job on forums keeping people in line and deleting things that are clearly in breach of the T&Cs. I don't think that the T&Cs are very clear to people who have joined this forum and they should be - then this would never have happened.

Axing it is not an option. Getting it better is!

There, I'll get off my soap box now.

Looking through the threads all of the slanging matches and bad feeling have resulted from poor communication, shutting the forum will make communication more difficult. I think that more interaction between the commitee and the membership would benefit the association as a whole and that this forum is a quick and convenient way of doing this.

At last!
Some constructive input! A new website idea has been aired, but council were adamant the forum should go! I agree that moderating and restricted access to members only areas is the way forward, and, if I may, will cite some of your comments when the council convenes next.
Maybe this is something for you all to raise with the new secretary direct (now you know how to contact her!)

I would be very sorry if the forum was axed, as I have found it so helpful and enjoyable. As pretty much of a stay at home, I love the photos and reports of shows, pictures of other folks' flocks etc. Being able to ask advice of much more experienced shepherds and exhibitors is great, a big help with those "what do I do now?" questions. Please feel free to quote me on that, Crazysheep!
And I agree that it is imperative the Association should have a website, for so many people the internet is the first place they go to look for information etc.
Perhaps we could all help improve and self-police the content on the forum - if we don't respond to an unedifying post, it will quickly sink!

Hi All
I AM THE NEW SECRETARY !!!
Sorry but I have blissfully unaware that not everyone had my contact details. I have today spoken with Wilson and he has sent round an email advising of my details but will try and sent it again.

As I am sure you can all appreciate, the change over period is not straightforward but I think we are starting to make progress internally. Also, I am employed part time for ten hours a week, so only have a certain amount of time to give. Wilson will finalise all details for the 2008 registrations and I will take over from the 2009 ones, in the hope to get out a Flock Book end Jan, beginning Feb if all goes to plan. I will be sending a newsletter round to members, after Xmas, to start us off for the New Year and my new official start. We will also be looking at updating the website and keeping it simple and up to date with info. Please bear with us, it will all take time but we will get there.

I can be contacted on 01823 602863 or email info@greyface-dartmoor.org.uk. I WILL GET BACK TO YOU if you leave me a clear number (on ansaphone) or send me an email. If I do not know the anwer to your query at this stage, I will find someone who does and again, get back to you.

In closing I would just like to add, that Forums can be a great feature if used correctly and I hope we can all use this Forum to the best advantage to discuss topics with likeminded breeders, keep abreast of on the spot info and obtain contacts and information. However, when used incorrectly they can be extremely damaging leading to them being taken off line. I am positive that we all know how we would like to see the DSBA forum used !!

In the meantime, I wish you all a merry christmas however you may be celebrating the festive season (shame the livestock don't know its christmas !!) and look forward to meeting as many of you as possible in the coming months.


Kind regards

Debbie Tyler-Davis

Quite right. I think that it would be very sad if because of a minority who posted inappropriate comments the majority were made to suffer. That is not how things should work at all. I would therefore respectfully ask the council members to reconsider this move.

It is simply because there have been no moderators that this is a problem. Most users on here are courteous and polite and it really makes me a little irritated that this has not been taken into account by council.

Moderated correctly the forum side of this website could work very well. I agree with the post above - it's great looking at people's flocks, finding out about shows, looking at other breeder's lambs and discussing the latest defra nonsense. We need a forum.

Hi DTD thanks for posting, will call you tomorrow

Hello Debbie
I must have posted my last comment just as you were posting yours!

Merry Christmas to you too and looking forward to your newsletter!

Lynne Jackson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Quite right. I think that it would be very sad if
> because of a minority who posted inappropriate
> comments the majority were made to suffer. That
> is not how things should work at all. I would
> therefore respectfully ask the council members to
> reconsider this move.
>
> It is simply because there have been no moderators
> that this is a problem. Most users on here are
> courteous and polite and it really makes me a
> little irritated that this has not been taken into
> account by council.
>
> Moderated correctly the forum side of this website
> could work very well. I agree with the post above
> - it's great looking at people's flocks, finding
> out about shows, looking at other breeder's lambs
> and discussing the latest defra nonsense. We need
> a forum.


I have been trying!
Thanks Debbie for posting, it should cool things down! I have been trying to answer where I can, but can only speak for myself, rather than for council.
I will keep plugging away!

Hi Debbie,

The Tilly Flock would like to welcome you ------ I think some of them have cottoned on -----Christmas just round the corner!


________________________________________________________

I would just like to add ----from what I gather, Lynne has put a lot into getting the Forum up and running,
I have just had a quick count up ----page one = over 6000 views ! That speaks for itself.
---------- CrazySheep, thanks for keeping users informed of possible forum changes.
Hope to see more members contributing next year and the Dartmoor Sheep breeders association back up to speed.

Jackie.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/12/2009 08:28AM by Tilly Thomsett.

Loving the pictures!

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