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Showing The Greyface Dartmoor

Posted by Tilly Thomsett 
Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
22 March, 2010 11:31AM
The early show schedules are arriving now ,so I`m turning my attention onto which sheep are the best candidiates for the show ring.



I always enjoy the whole" show thing "---- the 5* tent --- dog IN sleeping bag makes excellent hot water bottle when it`s freezing weather-as it was 2 years ago at May show.
I am just pleased to attend --and try to present the sheep well,if we win it`s a bonus

.


"Flash" my first Dartmoor ram had the "X Factor" his nature and "presence in the ring" gave the Wensleydales" a run for there money!"
I don`t think this years show rams will do as well --but you never know?


Has anybody else handclipped their dartmoors for showing?
I`ve done three --- should have done it earlier I think, but it`s been so cold I kept putting it off.

Jackie
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
02 April, 2010 10:28AM
I`m a little embarrassed

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I have had a few private messages ---asking for advice on showing the breed. " Sorry" --I don`t really class myself qualified as to say what is the exact best way to present the breed.
Yes , I think my little flock have done well in the show ring but seeing as in this area there`s no separate classes for the breed and am lucky to even see another dartmoor I only do what I think is best.
Previously I have left the fleece and found it to matte up so much ---the judges don`t like it---about 3-4 inchs seems about right ---looks good and is more manageable.
The forum has been invaluable -- seeing other peoples animals to compare with my own.
---best advice is to go to a few shows and talk to others and watch what goes on ----- at the end of the day it is only "a day out "and if you make a few
mistakes- learn by them .
-- cardinal sin ----- Do not take your animals into M.V area if you are non M.V---- likely to get hung, drawn and quartered!!!!

Jackie



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 10:40AM by Tilly Thomsett.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
02 April, 2010 08:12PM
HI Every one, On the subject of hand shearing, my husband and I hand shear about 40 sheep a year, I think I can say after many years we are at last getting it better.The hardest to do are the lambs they jump around all over the place. The thing is you see we show in full fleece at( Devon County Show, Bath and West and The Royal Cornwall) we have to prepare the fleece for these shows, which after a winter like we have just had is not easy.First we hose the lower part of the sheep to get off mud/dirt,(no shampoo) then we separate the staples of wool and get out any bits of straw etc, by working down the staples you also remove dead wool, the fleece should end up flowing free.When I say we show sheep in full fleece I do mean just that, some of my sheeps coats can almost touch the the ground.I do feel however that the Dartmoors should not be handclipped/sheared to early in the year, the fleece is there to do a job,to keep weather off the animal, and as we all know it can turn very cold and wet even in April. We usually work like mad after the last full fleece show to hand shear the show team ready for the one day summer shows.I am ashamed to say that I do no longer turn the sheep to shear them (got to old) I put a halter on them , stand them by a hay rack, start at the top and work down,for their tummies I get them to lie on their side and either my husband or I will hold them and we clip away,we find that the Rams are better than the Ewes, and both my husband and myself quite enjoy the experience.By the way when we hand shear we usually leave on about 2-3 inchs. So happy showing to you all. Ann
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
02 April, 2010 08:30PM
Sorry I am back again just to say if you would like to see the results of our hand shearing, then on Page 4 of the forum under Honiton 2008 you can see two sheep we hand sheared in late May early June of that year, the Honiton Show is held on the first week in August, I think that the coats are just right, what do you think?
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
02 April, 2010 09:04PM
I've found some of a hand shearing job I did a while back! Like Ann, I don't turn them over - I just stand them up and start at the top!

Here is a ewe I did










Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
03 April, 2010 12:50PM
This is how my best boy looks at the moment

main show -- Royal Norfolk 1st July ---- hope his coat grows enough by then !
Thanks Lynne and Ann --40 sheep to handshear!, thats dedication for you --good luck in the ring

Jackie
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
03 April, 2010 07:09PM
Hi Jackie. You think your boys coat may not be long enough for the Show in July, if you look look at page 4 of the forum Honiton 2008 you can see the lenght of coat on our sheep, I think that is about right for the summer shows, I do'nt think that is a lot longer than your boy is now.When I judge at summer shows I like to see the coat neat but not to long, I think the problem could be that you have to run against the other long wool breads, and I can see why you have a longer fleece, if the dartmoors had their own classes it would be different, and you show with the shorter wool, I must say you have done a good job on your boy he looks very good.My main worry would be if we were to shear to early the weather could change for the worse and the sheep could suffer, after all the long fleece is there for a reason. On the other hand I have found that if you are showing in full fleece at some of the last shows for full fleece, then the weather could get to hot and you have to be careful with the sheep then. One year at the Royal Cornwall the weather got very warm and my old ram was not happy, as luck would have it, it was after he had been shown, so the first thing I did was to shear him down the spine and splash water on him, when he looked a bit better I hand sheared him right off, and proceeded to do the rest of the sheep there, I have to say I had quite a large collection of on lookers. Now a few of us at the last full fleece show will start to shear( these are usually three day shows) so on the last day it helps to past the time while waiting to go home.Well I hope you have a good showing season all the best Ann.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
03 April, 2010 10:24PM
I agree with LIVERPOOL590 on this one!

Handshearing the show team after judging at the county show is a satisfying job. It is amazing the number of people who stop and grill you on the finer points of hanshearing whilst the half naked sheep you are working on stands placidly chewing the cud.

Lambs are a lot trickier...shear them too early (i.e. young) and the proper fleece doesn't come through, and it is breed rules to shear all lambs for registration by 31st july. Shear them too late and the wool isn't through for the summer shows!
Apart from a 'potential show team' for the county shows, my lot are usually shorn bare by machine in the first week of may. Any lambs under 2 1/2 months old will be left and done when old enough by hand.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
05 April, 2010 08:50AM
I thought I would just say ---the show sheep are getting preferential treatment ,they are still getting hard feed and being gathered in at night.
--They need to be in tip- top body condition for showing
It also gives me a change to start halter training and getting the animals used to being handled.It is a pleasure showing a well behaved happy sheep but not so easy showing one who is`nt relaxed when being scrutinized by the judge.
The dartmoors genuinely just enjoy all the attention!.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
05 April, 2010 10:21AM
smiling smiley Tilly I had to smile when I read the bit about well behaved and relaxed being scrutinized by the judge. We went to a show once where we were told you didn't have to lead, they were all penned, it suited us as we hadn't got around to it - BUT - what the organisers didn't say was you had to get them out and lead to some extent for judging. Never again!!! The yearling I was wrestling really made the best of it and sprang into the air all four feet off the ground at one point, most embarrassing.

The judge fortunately thought it was all very funny.

Stephanie
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
05 April, 2010 04:32PM
... and an alternative to woolly-pogo-stick-on-drugs behaviour is the tendency to lie down and remain clamped to the ground, refusing to get up at all. That's embarrassing too, in the middle of the ring!!
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
11 April, 2010 10:31PM
I know what you mean...it's as if they've sprouted roots!
Going back to the shearing point, for july shows hand shearing at the beginning of may is plenty early enough. It really is unfair to freeze the poor devils now, then roast them in a heavy coat come july/august!
On halter training I once tried the 'treat in pocket' approach, but trying to get a sheep to stand and look forwards whilst it is hell bent on rummaging in your pocket is extremely difficult! I now use the 'long line' method, which works fairly well.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
12 April, 2010 11:41AM
Hi CrazySheep--
Whats the long line method?

I find teaching the lambs to halter train easier if you walk them with their mums or in a group-- all on halters.
--- dog normally follows and if you can keep going forward without to much resistance they learn what to do.
----If you just have a singleton normally just end up with a" tug of war" and a "sheepy tantrum."

The judges don`t expect the young lambs to have" perfect manners"and it is normally a eardrum pierceing class as they all call for their mums!

From what I`ve heard, most enthusiatic show people have two show teams of sheep -- one for early shows
and second for late -- each trimmed accordingly for dates.

Interesting point put to me by "old Boy" who`s been showing longwools most of his life
--- Wool acts as a insulator- and that in hot weather the unshorn sheep will suffer less than the shorn one .

Jackie



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2010 06:25PM by Tilly Thomsett.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
12 April, 2010 10:24PM
The long line method is a normal halter with an extra 6 feet of lead rein, this allows the sheep to 'run away' but not escape. Once the sheep realises it can't escape, it gradually quietens down and becomes leadable. It is important not to drag the sheep, always let it move ahead of you and pick up the resistance when it tries to bolt! A half hour session once a day over 5-7 days usually does the trick.
Curious info from the old boy! My ewes are really puffing now and it's only 13 degrees c, once it gets to 18/20 degrees they start going off their food and looking thoroughly fed up. Other longwools have a more open fleece than the GFD, hence why they don't suffer as much.
I have just one show team who will be kept in wool until the first week in june. The rest of the flock will be shorn early may.
Once the early shows are done, the show team will be hand shorn ready for the summer shows starting july 18th. They will have plenty enough fleece by then.
I believe I heard somewhere that shearing before mid april was frowned upon in GFD circles, will have to check this out.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
13 April, 2010 07:26PM
Yes Crazysheep, you are quite right shearing in April is frowned upon, I have kept dartmoor's for twenty years now ,and I would'nt say I know all the answer's but I have been lucky enough to be advised by some of the best in the business.These are people that have grown up with the breed, and May would be the time to start to shear,as Crazysheep says if you are showing at the later show's, like Royal Cornwall then I would hand shear the show team off either at the show, or as soon as I get home. Certainly a Dartmoor sheep with a lot of wool in July/August is not a happy sheep. P.S Thank you for info on the long line method.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
13 April, 2010 11:10PM
Looks like me and the Dartmoors have an impossible task--
-- in a mixed class of longwool the LITTLE DARTMOOR has a job to compete anyway ,and if I show with short fleece against ones with spectacular full fleece it would be miracle if we even got a second look from judge.sad smiley
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
14 April, 2010 10:39PM
Any longwool judge worth their salt should be familliar with the breed points of each breed they are likely to judge. I have had reasonable success with my mob against Wensleydales, Cotswolds, Teeswaters and Galways.
I have found that the biggest influence on a judge is conformation and correctness. If your sheep stand narrow, have weak pasterns, mouth, udder or testicle faults, dipped back, goose rump, or are in poor condition, then that will count against them far more than how much fleece is on their backs.
If your sheep have sound mouths, udders and testicles, a good flat back, stand with a leg in each corner with plenty of width front and back, are sound on their pasterns with good thick legs, then you stand as much chance as anyone.
Good luck!
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
14 April, 2010 10:41PM
Hi Tilly Thomsett, We have had mixed classes as well here, and I may say that we had some of the hardest sheep to try to beat, in the Devon and Cornwall long wools,but any judge worth their salt sould be able to judge a sheep with what ever lengh of wool they have,so many things come into it, conformation, markings,good feet, good mouth and so on.Even with a shorter fleece a good judge can see the quality of the wool.What other breeds are you finding that you are up against? are not most of the breeds sheared by July/August were you are?Looking at your photo of "Flash" he looks as though he could give the others a run for their money even with a shorter fleece.Do you go to any shows were the dartmoor's could have a class of their own, or do not get enough people with them were you are.I hope that you try to show with a hand sheared shorter fleece because a good sheep can win if you get a judge that know's their sheep. As I said it has only been in recent years that we have had our own classes at some of the show's,so I do know how you feel,so please keep trying, and just remember this saying one of our "Old Boys" said to me at one of my first show's that I did not do to well at "Do'nt worry maid you always take the best sheep home". So the best of luck to you at your show's.
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
15 April, 2010 01:46PM
--Mostly up against Tesswater,Leicester longwool,Galway and Wensleydales -- never seen a shorn out Wensleydale or Tesswater at any shows I`ve been to.

I will also be entering some of my partners purebred breeds into the shows,

-but the Dartmoors are "soley mine" - hope to carry on enjoying them and representing the breed
at the shows in this corner of the country.

---Thankyou for all the advice -
---With the true showing etiquette
- At least I know now how it is correct to present The Greyface Dartmoor,and can stop guessing !--Free Thinking Smileys

Jackiesmiling smiley
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
15 April, 2010 08:16PM
Dear Jackie,
I don't do much showing but when I take my little primitive Manx Loaghtans out we are usually in "any other pure/native" against big fat white woollies, so you have my sympathy on being a one and only in a class. Keep up the good work out there in the far East. The Dartmoors are such smashing sheep they deserve all the publicity we can give them.
Good luck!
Hillary
Re: Showing The Greyface Dartmoor
15 April, 2010 10:14PM
I'll second that! Keep flying the flag and don't be put off.
Also remember that most winning wensleydales and teeswaters are yearling sheep who have 18 months of fleece on them owing to not shearing them as lambs. When shown out of wool they are ugly as sin!
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